Creation vs. Evolution: Why the Battle for Genesis Matters w/ Dr. Kent Hovind

Johnny Ova: Welcome everybody to the Dig In Podcast. I am your host, Pastor Johnny Ova of the Sound of Heaven Church, and today we have a very special guest. Those who know me know how much I talk about Dr. Kent Hovind, and I've got the man himself on with us today. Dr. Hovind, thank you for your time today. I truly appreciate it.

Dr. Kent Hovind: Well, thank you. It's an honor to be here, brother.

Johnny Ova: I'm going to start right off with the crux of your ministry. Your creation seminars have reached millions of people around the world, including myself. But take us back to the beginning a little bit. What was the moment that set you on fire to dedicate your life, not just to God, but to defending biblical creation?

Dr. Kent Hovind: Boy, it'd be a long story. I'll try to shorten it up. I was born and raised in East Peoria, Illinois. My dad was the only survivor of his platoon in the Marines in World War II coming home. My mom was a kindergarten teacher. She taught us kids to read early, read fast, love reading, love learning, and I had a wonderful childhood in East Peoria. When I was 16 years old, someone asked me if I was going to heaven. I said, I don't know. We've been Lutheran, Methodist, Mennonite. I said, I've been baptized, catechized, circumcised, homogenized. What else you got to do? Anyway, he ended up leading me to the Lord. I gave my heart to the Lord, got saved, started going to a little Baptist church, and really began reading my Bible and growing in the Lord. It was quite a journey.

Dr. Kent Hovind: I ended up teaching math and science for 15 years. I love those kinds of subjects. And right away, as I'm reading my Bible, I said, wait a minute. The Bible says Adam was 130 when his son was born. It gives the dates right there in Genesis chapter 5. Adam's 130, and then he lives 800 years after that. So I said, let's make a chart. I've redone the chart many times since then, but basically all you've got to do is add up the dates in the Bible, and you'll find the Bible teaches the earth is about 6,000 years old, not millions. And here I'm studying all this science telling us dinosaurs lived millions of years ago and the earth is billions of years old. I said, somebody is wrong. I don't know who it is yet, but I'm gonna find out. So it began when I was a young Christian in 1969, when I got saved in East Peoria and was going to Bethel Baptist Church in Pekin.

Dr. Kent Hovind: I fell into the trap of the gap theory for a while. The Scofield Bible teaches there's a gap between the first two verses, so you stick all the millions of years in there, and it's just pure heresy. But I didn't know any better. I do now. It's been a lifetime study of mine to get answers to these questions about how the Bible fits with modern science. Here's the problem. People think science blends with evolution. Evolution has nothing to do with science. Evolution is a religion that they believe in, but there's no scientific evidence to back it up. I've now done 390 debates with atheists at universities. I love tearing them up. The Bible is true. Evolution is stupid. Tell them I said so. Okay?

Johnny Ova: That's wonderful. Right on cue, right on time. I guess the next question is, what is the big deal? Like you said, people say that science and the Bible and evolution can blend. Why is this more than just a, quote unquote, scientific debate? What are the effects of this?

Dr. Kent Hovind: I ask atheists in debates all the time, guys, if evolution is true, how do you tell right from wrong? Where's the standard for right and wrong? I've got a book that tells me, thus saith the Lord. He decides what's right and wrong. It's his world. He made it. He can make any rules he wants. How do they decide? I ask atheists, would it be wrong for you to go next door and kill your neighbor's baby and eat it? Well, the lion does it to the zebra. Was that wrong for the lion? No. Why is it wrong for you if you're just an animal? If you think it is wrong, why don't you get a sign, go to Africa, hold it up in front of the lion and say, stop eating the zebra babies. I'll pay for the sign. Where's the standard for right and wrong? There isn't any with evolution. Only the strongest survive, survival of the fittest.

Dr. Kent Hovind: It's an evil, evil thing. I tell people evolution is the dumbest and most dangerous religion in the world. It's nothing but a religion. I started 35 years ago making videotapes and now DVDs. My video series you talked about is 18 hours long. It's $50, and when you're done you can send it back and get your money back. I started off loaning out my videos, and I learned right away that Christians don't steal, but they borrow and never return. So I don't loan anymore. You've got to buy it for 50 bucks, copy it all you want, bring it back, get your 50 bucks back. On video number one I go through all kinds of scientific evidence that the earth is not billions of years old. Video number two is all about the Garden of Eden. Why did they live to be 900 years old? How do you do that? Video number three is all about dinosaurs, one of my favorite topics. Our website is drdino.com, our phone number is 855-BIG-DINO. We emphasize dinosaurs, as in our Dinosaur Adventure Land here in Lenox, Alabama. Good luck finding it. It's straight north of Pensacola 70 miles. Get a big magnifying glass and zoom in to see a little bitty town of about 30 people. We love it out here. A car went by last week and we all got excited.

Johnny Ova: When did you move out of Pensacola?

Dr. Kent Hovind: Almost 10 years ago now. I went to prison for no reason. We're on all kinds of channels. Go to drdino.com and it lists all the channels we're on, everything except YouTube. They keep taking us off YouTube. Almost a year ago now, February 1st, I did a show called Open Letter to Donald Trump where I explained what happened to me. I did not break any laws at all. They broke 100 laws to put me in prison. Anyway, I came home from prison and my wife divorced me. She was scared of the IRS. So what do you do? A guy called me and said, hey, I love your ministry. What are you trying to do? I said, I'm trying to get property someplace to build a Christian camp. I told him about this old gravel pit up here in Lenox for sale. I said it's 140 acres, but he wants a quarter million dollars. He said, all right, I'll buy it for you. I'd never met him. He must have liked the videos. He bought the gravel pit, and we moved up here almost 10 years ago. April 16 it'll be 10 years. We're hoping to have a big party. Come on down for our party.

Dr. Kent Hovind: We're building a one-third scale model of Noah's Ark. We've had visitors from all over the world. It's all free. We don't charge anything. The only problem, I've got to warn you, Johnny, we have well water. I taught biology for 15 years, and people don't know this, but if you drink well water, your babies will be born naked. Is that okay? Okay, good.

Johnny Ova: I would love to. That's fine. Although I'm not having any more babies. I've got five, I'm done. I've sown my seeds into society already. We were talking a little before we came on. For those who don't know, Dr. Kent Hovind had such an impact on my walk with God. When I first got saved I was struggling with a lot of the questions we're going to get into here, and I stumbled on his series. Somebody had given it to me, and then I bought all of them, and I must have watched your series more times than I can count. It really grounded my faith, my confidence in the Bible and in God, and solidified my walk with Christ. So I'm forever indebted to God for using you, Dr. Hovind, in that. I highly encourage everybody to check out the website. We'll have all those links in the description on YouTube, Apple and Spotify, so you can check this out for yourself. I know he's got a ton of content on YouTube as well, and I'll link that too. But you hit on something, Dr. Hovind. People say creation is a religion but evolution is science, and you strongly disagree. Can you go into why?

Dr. Kent Hovind: Well, it depends what you mean by the word evolution. The word is pretty slippery. This is how they sneak it in. There are six different levels or stages of evolution, and they hate it when I do this, so I love doing it. First would be cosmic evolution, the origin of time, space and matter. Where did space come from? Where did time come from? Where did all the matter in the universe come from? Their answer is the big bang. It's not an answer. It's not even a good theory. It's not even a good hypothesis. It's a wild, stupid guess. The big bang, they'll say, is where almost nothing exploded and made everything. That is retarded. That's what they believe. So that's not science. That's religion. You have to believe in the big bang. Then they say the big bang produced a bunch of hydrogen and helium gas, and then it solidified into solids and made all the elements and stars. First of all, gases don't do that. Secondly, if it came from a big bang, the longer you wait, the further apart the particles get. They don't get closer together to make a star or planet. So the idea of chemical evolution, the big bang producing all the other elements, is stupid.

Dr. Kent Hovind: Then there have to be planets and stars forming. That's called stellar evolution. That's never been seen. Number four, another big obstacle, is organic evolution, the origin of life. How did life get started from nonliving material? They can't even make it happen in the laboratory. One atheist I was debating, and I've had 390 debates now, said, Hovind, if scientists ever make life in the laboratory, what are you going to say? I said, I'm going to say it proves it took intelligence to make life. That's not going to prove evolution. It's going to prove creation. Number five is called macroevolution, where an animal changes into a different kind of animal. Nobody's ever seen such a thing. Microevolution is a lousy word. We shouldn't use it, but they do. Microevolution means there are variations within the kind. There are now 339 breeds of dogs, and they probably had a common ancestor called a dog. That doesn't prove dogs are related to bananas.

Dr. Kent Hovind: They have these stupid charts for public school kids to learn. Yes, boys and girls, look at this, humans are related to frogs. You can believe that if you want. This is a propaganda poster. It's not science. Nobody's ever seen a frog produce a non-frog. Never. There are big frogs and little frogs, 7,000 kinds of frogs, and they might have had a common ancestor called a frog. But that doesn't mean they're related to a human or an elephant or anything else. Kids are all taught from this poster now. It's in all the schools as evidence for evolution. How do they know it's evidence? Well, we drew lines on paper connecting them, so it's got to be true. I see. Variation within the kind I go along with. I don't think we should call it microevolution. We should call it variation. God said two times in the first seven chapters that the plants and animals will bring forth after their kind. That is science. Other than that is not science. We never see these other claims they make, and even if it later turns out to be true, as of today it's not science. It's not observable. You can't test it. You can't demonstrate it in the laboratory. It's a religion. They say, we don't want religion in schools. Okay, then get evolution out, because evolution is nothing but a religion.

Johnny Ova: Right, because you have to have faith in it, since nobody's ever seen these things take place. All right, let's go into the age of the earth. Six thousand years. You have the chart, you add all the ages up, and you get a young earth of 6,000 years. Besides the Bible, what are the top pieces of scientific evidence that point to a young earth and challenge the billions of years narrative?

Dr. Kent Hovind: It's very clear the Bible teaches about 6,000. The oldest historical records we have are about 6,000 years old, the oldest languages, the oldest examples of capital punishment. I go through all this on video number one. I've got ways to prove it from the earth itself and ways to prove it from space. I'll pick one here. The oceans are gaining salt every day. Today they're 3.6 percent salt. They could have gone from zero to 3.6 percent in less than 5,000 years. If the oceans are billions of years old, why aren't they saltier, like the Dead Sea or the Great Salt Lake? The sea's missing salt, a dilemma for evolutionists. You can watch video number one to get the details. Here's another one. The earth has a magnetic field, but the magnetic field is getting weaker. Who cares? Well, that proves it can't be billions of years old, at the rate we're losing it. Not all planets have a magnetic field. Earth has a moderately strong one. Mercury has a weak field. Venus and Mars have almost none. They know the magnetic field is declining, so it can't be billions of years old. So they come up with the absolutely stupid idea that the magnetic field is reversing. That's not even possible, let alone observable or scientific.

Dr. Kent Hovind: I also talk about the earth spinning. The earth is spinning, but it's slowing down, about a thousandth of a second every day. That's why they have leap seconds. I've got everything documented here. The speed the earth spins is affected by all its parts, the inner and outer layers, the tides, the ocean levels, the climate. Nobody argues with this. They say, you're right, the earth is slowing down. They first noticed it about 400 years ago. It's slowed down about six hours in the last 2,700 years. This is from science.org. Here's Action News. Here's Wikipedia: earth's rotation is slowing down. This physics website, yep, it's slowing down, and we know why. The tide washing up on the beach slows it down, the Coriolis effect of the winds, the lunar drag. That's why they have to add a second to the clock every once in a while. It's called a leap second. Back in 1990 they said days are growing longer as earth's rotation slows a thousandth of a second every day. There's a list of all the leap seconds added to catch the clocks up. The International Earth Rotation Service keeps track of all this. Probably some government job.

Dr. Kent Hovind: So 27 seconds have been added so far. If you want to say the earth is 6,000 years old, that's not a problem. It was spinning a little faster when Adam was here. They wouldn't even notice. They didn't have a watch anyway, I don't think. But you can't have billions of years. You try to go back billions of years and it creates a problem. Get my seminar part one, where I go through all this. I'll skip it for the sake of time. But here's one everybody can understand. The moon goes around the earth. The moon spins once every 27 days, and it also goes around the earth once every 27 days, which means the same side always faces us. It's called gravitational locking. The moon is about 239,000 miles away, but it's leaving us about an inch and a half a year. They've known this a long time. From theatlantic.com, space.com, NASA: I feel like we're drifting apart. Forbes magazine: the moon is moving away about four centimeters a year, 1.49 inches. Let's get it really exact. Bye, moon. I don't think there's an argument about this at all, but it creates a problem. If the moon is getting farther away, it used to be closer.

Dr. Kent Hovind: Why is the moon leaving us? Physics.org, BBC News, space.com, Cornell University. This has been known for decades. But there's a problem, brother. If you bring the moon in closer, the gravity gets stronger. It's called the inverse square law. If you brought the moon in to one third its current distance, you take that fraction, one third, flip it over and square it, and you get nine times the gravitational pull. The inverse square law works with gravity, with light, photographers have to know about this, and with magnetism. A thousand years ago, the moon was 125 feet closer. A million years ago, 28 miles closer. Go further and it's 10,284 miles closer. It starts to create a real problem. They've done the studies on this. They say the lunar semi-major axis presents a well-known time scale problem. The lunar orbit collapses, snaps together like two magnets, a little over a billion years ago. That's from the Astronomical Journal. About 1.2 billion years ago. Then why are we telling the kids it's 4.6 billion? It can't be physical science. On video one I go through 30 or 40 of these. I've got to count them someday. I'm sorry, the earth is not billions of years old. If you need billions of years for your theory, get a new theory. That one is stupid.

Johnny Ova: I'm going to ask you about carbon dating too, because I know that's a big one that goes along with this. But do you think at the core of these arguments, it's a moral issue? They don't want a God to exist?

Dr. Kent Hovind: Absolutely. Romans chapter 1: they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, so God gave them up, gave them up, gave them over. Read Romans chapter 1. I asked an atheist in a debate one time, do you believe in evolution because you really have some evidence, or because you like the freedom it gives you from God? He said, I guess I like evolution because I'm horny. Every male of every species from termites to whales understands that one. But it's not a reason to reject God. God made that too. They're running from the obvious. There's only two options. There is a God or there isn't. Nobody's thought of a third option. If there's a God and he made this place, then he owns it. He can make whatever rules he wants. This is his planet. God made it and he made the rules. I tell people, if you don't like his rules, go build your own planet and do whatever you want on your planet. But this one's God's, and he's going to judge you for what you do or don't do according to his law.

Johnny Ova: So let's go into carbon dating, because that's another one about the age of the earth. Carbon dating and radiometric dating are often thrown at creationists and young earth believers as proof of an old earth. What's wrong with those dating methods?

Dr. Kent Hovind: All the dating methods have been invented in the last 70 years. Since World War II, when the atomic bomb went off, they said, wow, this produces some strange radioactive elements. I talk about this in great detail in seminar part seven, What About Carbon Dating? Fossils are really dated by their position in the geologic column. In 1830 they made up this absolutely stupid geologic column, and they claim all the layers are different ages. They gave them names, Jurassic and Triassic. It's all baloney. They say the top layer is younger. I say, stop and think about it. Where did it come from? How can that dirt be a different age than that dirt? Is dirt coming from outer space? Is that how these layers are being added? Every speck of dirt in the world is the same age. There's no such thing as a geologic column. That hurts their feelings, because that's their Bible. But I'm sorry, it doesn't exist. So in 1830 they made up the geologic column and gave each layer a name, and then in 1950, after World War II, they started using things like carbon-14 dating.

Dr. Kent Hovind: Here are the problems with that. If I walked into a room and said, Johnny, come here, I've got a question. Here's a candle. It's burning. When was it lit? You'd say, I don't know, it was burning when we got here. How long has it been burning? Well, we can do what's called empirical science, something you can measure and test and study. We can measure how tall the candle is. Let's say it's seven inches tall. Nobody argues. Now let's measure how fast it burns. We find it's burning about an inch an hour. Here are two facts nobody argues with. It's seven inches tall, and it's burning an inch an hour. I can tell you when it's going to go out. Can I tell you when it was lit? No. How tall was it to begin with? I don't know. You have to make assumptions. How tall was it? Has it always burned at the same rate? They use circular reasoning. They date the rocks by the fossils and the fossils by the rocks. It's insane what they do with that stuff.

Dr. Kent Hovind: Radiometric dating would not be feasible if they hadn't done the geologic column first. On video number seven I take an hour on why carbon dating does not work, has never worked and cannot work. You cannot know the rate of decay has always been the same. You cannot know the initial content of the object when it was alive. You cannot know there's been no contamination. In any honest court of law, none of the radioactive dating methods would hold up. Carbon-14, potassium-argon, rubidium-strontium, argon-argon, they all have the same assumptions. So rather than take all day on that one topic, watch my video seven, okay?

Johnny Ova: Absolutely. Like I said, I'm going to link everything, and I strongly encourage everybody to click on it and get the entire series. And you still have the debate series too, right? All the debates?

Dr. Kent Hovind: Yeah, a bunch of those.

Johnny Ova: Get some of those too, so you can see the rebuttals, because it's almost like we get new rebuttals every couple of years. We'll get into one in a little bit, the flat earth, which has been a new phenomenon recently. For whatever reason it's coming back around. All right, the pre-flood world is fascinating. When I watched your videos, one, it made so much sense, and two, it just blew my mind. You talked about humans living 900 years, which is what the Bible describes, but you also described a different atmosphere, even the giants, the Nephilim. So paint that picture for us. What was the earth really like before the flood?

Dr. Kent Hovind: If you read Genesis, God made the earth and he made the firmament. It's all in chapter 1. The firmament, he tells us, is where the birds fly. That would be the air we're breathing. Then it says in Genesis 1 there was water above the firmament. Water above the air. Yes, the earth was created with a crystal canopy around it, a couple of inches thick. It's called the canopy theory. That's gone now. It fell down at the time of the flood, so I can't prove this. But the Bible says there was water above the firmament. Many ancient cultures talk about a time when the earth had greater oxygen concentration. We find the bones of huge animals, dinosaurs for example, that couldn't live today. The air is too thin. They find pterodactyls with 50-foot wingspans. They couldn't fly in today's air. If you took the 50 or 100 miles of air over the earth today and squeezed it down to 10 miles, everybody at the surface would have double air pressure. They've also got overwhelming scientific evidence that the earth used to have 35 percent oxygen. The air we're breathing is 21 percent. If you lived in a world with 35 percent oxygen and greater air pressure, breathing would be exciting. You could run for hundreds of miles. Super lungs gave dinosaurs energy to run and fight, this article says. Put that up, Joseph.

Johnny Ova: That'd be nice.

Dr. Kent Hovind: Super lungs, from Science magazine. When they find amber, which is petrified tree sap, you saw the movie Jurassic Park where they drilled in to get the mosquito blood out, they quite often find air bubbles. When they suck them out and analyze them, they have 50 percent more oxygen than we have today. Time magazine 40 years ago said 32 percent oxygen compared to 21 today. The only trend in recent literature is the suggestion of far more oxygen in the early atmosphere than we thought. Eighty million years ago it was 50 percent richer in oxygen. I disagree with the 80 million years ago. Nearly 35 percent oxygen. See what happens under those conditions with more oxygen and more pressure. Not only does your hemoglobin carry oxygen around your body like it's supposed to, the plasma gets oxygen saturated. You could run for hundreds of miles and never get tired. So I think the only way you can explain the giant insect fossils, the giant reptile fossils we call dinosaurs, and the giant people that have been found, is that there was a different world.

Dr. Kent Hovind: The Jews have always taught there was a crystal canopy, two or three fingers thick, a couple of inches, completely surrounding the world. It might have been held up by the earth's magnetic field or by simple air pressure, like an inflatable building. I don't know. It's gone now. I think when the fountains of the deep broke open, it shattered that canopy, and because it was super cold ice, and ice is magnetic at low temperatures, the ice would be sucked in and dumped on the north and south poles. I think the ice age happened at the beginning of the flood and was almost instantaneous. It was probably snowing 10 feet a minute, burying animals standing up. Google how many frozen animals have been found around the Arctic region. Mammoths, big hairy elephants, standing up, frozen. How did that happen? Camels, bobcats, lynx. This all happened at the beginning of Noah's flood. The fountains of the deep broke open, launched rocks up, shattered the canopy, and all that would be sucked in and dumped on the poles. It was a very different world back then.

Dr. Kent Hovind: Then all the layers we see in the earth formed during Noah's flood. Each time the earth turns under the moon, the water goes up and down. That's tidal pumping. If the moon is pulling the water up, it's sucking it in from all four sides, so it would create these layers all over the world. Petrified trees are found standing up, running through these layers. Well, I think maybe it had to be a flood. The layers are not different ages. They dig through these layers all the time and find petrified trees standing up, and giant coal seams 300 feet thick, pure coal. Before Noah's flood the world was mostly habitable. Today it's only about 3 percent habitable. This giant ball we're on is 70 percent under water, 10 percent under ice caps still today, 10 percent deserts and mountain ranges where nobody can live. They say about 3 percent of the earth is habitable for mankind. I don't have any reason to argue with that number.

Dr. Kent Hovind: If the world was mostly habitable, all the water that's now on the surface was trapped in the crust of the earth. The Bible says he founded it upon the seas. There was water under the crust. That's where the fountains of the deep broke open. They think there may be as many as 10 million underwater vents where hot water is squirting up into the bottom of the ocean. If there's hot water squirting up into the bottom of the ocean, where does it have to be coming from? Deeper than that. There are still huge pockets of water trapped in the crust of the earth. They're called hydrothermal vents. I cover the ice age and all this on video number one of my series. And brother, I'm not just trying to sell videos. You can buy it and copy it. One guy in Dallas made 46,000 copies. Send it back and get your money back. I want to get the gospel out to everybody.

Johnny Ova: Amen. People spend their money on a lot worse stuff than the truth, and learning these things about the word is fascinating. I can't get over what you mentioned about woolly mammoths frozen standing up. Frozen, frozen.

Dr. Kent Hovind: Right. When I began studying this I called the Birds Eye frozen food people, because the food in the mammoth's stomach is still fresh. It hasn't rotted. When an animal dies, his stomach acid doesn't know he's dead. It just keeps doing its job, dissolving the stuff. They had to freeze in less than five hours to be the way we find them. So I called Birds Eye and said, hey, if I stuck an elephant in the freezer, what would happen? It was real quiet on the other end of the line. They were thinking. Finally one guy said, well, you'd have a crowded freezer. I said, okay, I know. How long would it take to freeze an elephant? He said, about five days, because the outside is going to freeze and trap the heat inside. I said, how can I freeze my elephant in five hours? He said, you've got two choices. Cut it up into little pieces, or stick it in liquid nitrogen at 300 below zero. Well, it never gets that cold on earth, but outer space is that cold. The crystal canopy that used to surround the world would be in contact with outer space, probably 300 below zero Fahrenheit. When it shatters, it's sucked in, dumped on the poles, and buries the animals standing up.

Dr. Kent Hovind: Plus, when the canopy is gone, the air pressure is relieved and the air expands, which absorbs the heat released from the rain. When it rains you get heat release, called the latent heat of condensation. So there's not a heat problem. And it's interesting, brother, if you Google the ice age, the ice came further south in America. It came all the way to southern Illinois. In Russia it didn't come as far down. The ice age is centered around the magnetic North Pole, not the real North Pole. The earth has a real pole that we spin around and a magnetic north pole where the compasses point. Why is the ice age centered around the magnetic North Pole? Because it's connected with the earth's magnetic field and the ice being sucked in and dumped there. Frozen animals are found all the time. You see it in the news. Somebody sent me an article a couple of weeks ago about a frozen mammoth they found.

Dr. Kent Hovind: After that ice reaches out to Kansas City or southern Illinois, it would take four or five hundred years to melt back. So when Noah gets off the ark, the ice caps are still huge, which means the oceans are smaller, because the water is frozen at the poles, which means the continents are bigger. That explains what's called the continental shelf. I cover this on video number six. Brother, I've got 50,000 slides in my presentation. If you ask the questions in the same order, I've got the answers. I'll go a little faster. Watch video six. I show all the continents have a continental shelf. In Pensacola you have to go out 100 miles to get 100 feet deep. If you lowered the ocean just 200 feet, out of an average of 12,000, take out 200 feet, freeze it and stick it on the poles, everything is connected. One atheist said, how did the kangaroos get to Australia? Well, they hopped. That's how they got everywhere. If you lowered the oceans 200 feet, Australia becomes a peninsula coming off Vietnam. The water around Indonesia, Borneo, Sarawak is 40, 50, 60 feet deep. So the secret is to lower the oceans by freezing the water. One atheist asked if I believe in Pangea, that South America and Africa were connected. They're still connected right now under water, aren't they? They're not lily pads floating around in a bathtub, guys. The earth has a solid crust. So that whole Pangea theory is real stupid, in my opinion.

Johnny Ova: That is hilarious. I was just going to ask you about Pangea. But I want to get to dinosaurs next. Dinosaur Adventure Land, you're Dr. Dino. When I went and visited, I got to dig up some fossils in a big sandpit, and somebody put a snake on me. I've got a picture of a snake wrapped around me. Lots of fun. There's so much information in your videos, but this is what you're famous for. Mainstream science says dinosaurs died 65 million years ago, and you say they lived alongside humans. We hit the age a bit. Talk about some of the evidence that dinosaurs and humans lived at the same time.

Dr. Kent Hovind: I did a show yesterday, Joseph, you know, that was posted, on all that stuff about dinosaurs. It's on YouTube. My video number three is two hours long answering that question. Dinosaurs always lived with man. They were just big lizards. The word dinosaur means terrible lizard. Before the flood came, people lived to be 900. Reptiles never stop growing, even today. What would happen if a reptile could live to be 900? It gets 60 feet long. The dinosaurs were big lizards with Adam and Eve. Noah took them on the ark, probably babies. Just be sure to get a pink one and a blue one. After the flood was over, people killed most of them. They called them dragons. Or they died off from the climate change. Read Genesis chapter 5. It gives the dates. They're living to be 900 before the flood, and after the flood it drops off to 400 in Genesis 11, then down to 200, then down to 100. Today hardly anybody makes it to 100. The canopy was gone, so they weren't living long. The air expanded, there was less air pressure, less oxygen, more UV light coming in without that crystal canopy.

Dr. Kent Hovind: So probably some of the dinosaurs, like the brachiosaur, like my microphone holder here, couldn't even live long enough to reach maturity. They would die off from climate change. I hate to use that word, but that's okay. It was a different world after the flood. Many countries have a legend called the golden age, when man used to live to be a thousand. Google golden age. Countries that had no contact with Christianity, Hindu countries, the Chinese. Why would they talk about a golden age? Because there really was a time when man lived to be nearly a thousand. So the dinosaurs would die off mostly from two things. One is the new climate. They couldn't get old enough to reproduce. Two, people hunted them. They called them dragons. But some are probably still alive. I go through about 30 minutes of all the examples I've gathered over the years of dinosaurs still alive. The Loch Ness Monster is a classic example, stuff like that.

Johnny Ova: What video is that on?

Dr. Kent Hovind: Video number three.

Johnny Ova: Video number three. Like I said, we'll have all these linked up. All right, let's get to flat earth. I know we're running through some of this stuff. I know my audience. We go from biblical scholars all the way to Christians who just attend Sunday service. There's a lot of compromise going on in the body of Christ, a lot of compromise in the doctrine that's taught, and for many different reasons, these funny things like flat earth creep in, especially into Christianity. There's a whole movement of Christians who believe the earth is flat, and they quote some scripture verses. I know you've pushed back on this. Why do you think this idea has gained traction, and why is it wrong?

Dr. Kent Hovind: Well, Kansas is flat, but the rest of the world is round. It's a giant ball. There are hundreds of ways to prove that scientifically. The Bible does not say the earth is flat. They take verses like Jesus went up on the temple and could see the whole world. I can turn on my computer and see what's happening in China right now. You don't have to have a flat earth for that. You have to have a different way of seeing things. I use this illustration. The moon is going around the earth. Once in a while it goes between us and the sun and makes a shadow on the earth. The shadow is always round. Other times we get between the moon and the sun and make a shadow on the moon. Our shadow as it goes across the moon is round, no matter what time of day it is. That proves the earth is round. That's all you need. Plus, how do they get weather patterns? They say the sun is only 27 miles in diameter and goes in a circle above the earth like a flashlight. We have a mechanism, earth's gravity and all the gravitational balance. But if the sun is up there going around in a circle, you should never have darkness. How do you get night on a flat earth? How do you get time zones? Call somebody in Australia. What time is it? Three in the morning. What are you doing calling me? The earth is a round ball, and it's silly to use that argument. They can believe what they want, but I'm not falling for it.

Johnny Ova: Last couple of things before I let you go, Dr. Hovind. We spent some time on the popular theories of evolution, and I know you don't just say evolution is scientifically wrong. You say it's dangerous. How has evolutionary thinking influenced ideologies like communism and Nazism, and a lot of the moral decay we see today?

Dr. Kent Hovind: That's my video number five, and that's the one they put me in prison for. Seminar part five is called The Dangers of Evolution. This theory is not only stupid, it's dangerous. We teach the kids they're an animal and then wonder why they're acting like animals. Look what you're teaching them. It goes back to where's the moral code. How do you tell right from wrong? Evolution theory is the foundational philosophy behind Nazism, Adolf Hitler. Why did he kill the Jews? He thought they were an inferior species. He had a list of the different races. Darwin's book is called The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. Darwin was quite a racist. He thought skin color makes a difference, that if you have dark skin you're inferior. That's called stupid. Skin is only skin deep. There are different color cows, white cows, brown cows, black cows. They all look the same in the meat locker and they all taste the same on the hamburger. So if you believe you're superior because of the color of your skin, you're really stupid, and I'll tell you that to your face.

Dr. Kent Hovind: That's what motivated Darwin. That's what motivated Hitler. He wanted to kill off the Jews, and next he was going to kill off the blacks. He hated black people. He wanted the whole world to be blonde-haired, blue-eyed Norwegians and Germans. Absolutely stupid. It's also the foundational philosophy behind communism. The founders of this country said, we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain rights. The rights come from the Creator. If you get a bunch of guys who believe that together, they're going to throw the tea in the harbor and start a big war. And there are those who would like a one world government, a new world order. You can't have people believing their rights come from God. They're a threat to your dream of a one world government, which is satanic. I cover that in video number five for nearly two hours. This is not only a stupid theory, it's dangerous.

Johnny Ova: Do you think people are waking up to this? Are people taking to creation more now than before, or is it receiving more opposition now?

Dr. Kent Hovind: Both. Millions and millions are coming around and saying, well, evolution is stupid. But we're receiving a lot of opposition. They hate me. Type in Kent Hovind and your computer will melt. The atheists. And I'm the nicest guy I've ever met. They don't think so.

Johnny Ova: And all those nasty words they say about you. Thankfully, to God, our website gets almost 50,000 hits a month, tens of thousands receive our newsletter, and we get so many emails every day about the articles we write and the gospel being ministered. Before we close out, Dr. Hovind, I want to give you the floor for the next couple of minutes. Somebody watching is struggling with their faith, doubting it. I shouldn't say science, but maybe evolution has crept in and caused some doubts in the word of God and the Bible. What would you say to them right now?

Dr. Kent Hovind: The Bible claims to be the word of God. It claims to be flawless. And in my experience of 57 years of reading it, that's correct. It's scientifically, historically, mathematically accurate in every detail. If you want to ask me any questions, put my slide up there, Joseph. We do a show every night. Go to drdino.com. It lists all our channels, Rumble, Facebook, X. We have our own app, Kent Hovind TV. At the end of every show, seven o'clock Central Time, we have open Q and A with call-in questions. The Bible is absolutely true. I tell people, if you watch my videos, when you're done you're going to say, wow, the Bible's true. Then about a week later you're going to sit up in bed in the middle of the night and say, no, the Bible's true, I'd better read that book and do what it says. That's the goal. I want to motivate everybody to get busy and serve God.

Johnny Ova: Amen. Awesome. I've got a personal request, Dr. Hovind. Bill Nye the Science Guy. We've got to get you debating that guy. He won't do it?

Dr. Kent Hovind: He won't do it. I'll pay him $50 if he'll debate me. I'll pay him $100 if he'll debate me for just one hour.

Johnny Ova: I know he's debated some others in the creation field, but I'd really like it to be against you. That would be fantastic.

Dr. Kent Hovind: I'd be honored. I'm not afraid of any of the atheists or evolutionists. Bring them all at the same time, if I get half the time. I was at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in Jacksonville, Florida, and debated three atheists at once, called three on one. That's where the guy asked me the question, where did God come from? My two-minute answer has 950 million views. Feel free to play it on your channel, brother. It's only two minutes long. Where did God come from?

Johnny Ova: Amen. I love it. I will. Dr. Hovind, thank you so very much for your time. It's been an honor and a privilege to chat with you today. I'm always praying for you, your family and your ministry. I know this is the first time we've ever spoken face to face, but your teaching has impacted me and so many countless others.

Dr. Kent Hovind: Amen. Come on down and pay us a visit, brother. It's all free. We don't charge anything. We have 30 cabins, we have jeep tours, and it's all free. Come on down. All right, thank you, brother. Bye-bye.

Johnny Ova: Love it, Dr. Hovind. Thank you so much. God bless you.